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Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:22 pm
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On p2pnet.net I have read interesting article about new file sharing technology, that makes impossible to sue seeder. They promise speed about 2.5 times less than ordinary torrent, that I think is faster than I2P or similar onion router software.
Article: http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17890
StegoShare home page: http://stegoshare.sf.net
If you are interested in and want to try this technology, write PM, I am looking for UPLOADERS.
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atching Dinosaurus Riaaticus stumbling around, tripping over its own feet as it tries to stomp the agile and elusive developers of P2P file sharing applications, is an interesting spectator sport.
ItC"b,b"s a totally futile, wack-a-mole type of exercise and Vivendi Universal, EMI, Warner Music and Sony BMG, who are behind it, would be much better advised to spend their money and resources on wooing their customers instead of suing them.
But you canC"b,b"t teach an old dinosaur new tricks and one of the newest sharing technologies itC"b,b"ll soon be getting all hot and bothered about is StegoShare, based on the encryption technique of burying data in an image, used in this application for anonymous file sharing.
A steganography tool, C"b,EYou can hide 2Gb file in multiple images, supported almost all graphic formats,C"b,B says Sourceforge, going on:
C"b,EAverage capacity ~ 40%. Useful for publishing censored materials in the Internet.C"b,B
C"b,EWant to share censored materials in the Internet without fear?C"b,B - asks the StegoShare site. No worries CB;CB;CB;
1. Download legal images from public photo hosting or take photos with your digital camera.
2. Use StegoShare to embed censored file (which distribution may be illegal in your county) into images, then upload stego images to the photo torrent tracker (or other p2p network) as ordinary legal photos (human eye cannot detect the difference between original image and picture with included hidden file). Also post hidden fileC"b,b"s description and link to stego images on the private blog/forum (not photo tracker). Read details at the section C"b,EHow it worksC"b,E.
3. Seed (distribute) images with censored file without any fear of legal prosecution or litigation. If you will be caught, you can always say that you even didnC"b,b"t knew about illicit file, embedded into images (it is impossible to prove opposite, you have 100% plausible deniability). This protection model can be used as for end users (downloaders and seeders), as also for public photo trackers. Detailed information at the section C"b,ELegal help and advicesC"b,E.
The developer uses a swan like the one on the left as a demo file.
C"b,ECurrently I am seeking members to join my foundation to develop and promote anti-RIAA technologies,C"b,B he told us.
Click here for a download.
C"b,K The art and science of writing hidden messagesC"b,b"
Meanwhile, StegoShare is based on the steganography, C"b,Ethat allows to hide any file in the image without possibility to visually detect any changes,C"b,B he says, quoting a Wikipedia item, to wit CB;CB;CB;
Steganography is the art and science of writing hidden messages in such a way that no-one apart from the sender and intended recipient even realizes there is a hidden message. By contrast, cryptography obscures the meaning of a message, but it does not conceal the fact that there is a message. Today, the term steganography includes the concealment of digital information within computer files. For example, the sender might start with an ordinary-looking image file, then adjust the color of every 100th pixel to correspond to a letter in the alphabetC"b,b a change so subtle that someone who isnC"b,b"t actively looking for it is unlikely to notice it. The larger the cover message is (in data content termsC"b,b number of bits) relative to the hidden message, the easier it is to hide the letter.
Stated somewhat more formally, the objective for making steganographic encoding difficult to detect is to ensure that the changes to the carrier (the original signal) due to the injection of the payload (the signal to covertly embed) are visually (and ideally, statistically) negligible; that is to say, the changes are indistinguishable from the noise floor of the carrier.For this reason, digital pictures (which contain large amounts of data) are used to hide messages on the Internet and on other communication media. For example: a 24-bit bitmap will have 8 bits representing each of the three color values (red, green, and blue) at each pixel. If we consider just the blue there will be 28 different values of blue. The difference between 11111111 and 11111110 in the value for blue intensity is likely to be undetectable by the human eye. Therefore, the least significant bit can be used (more or less undetectably) for something else other than color information. If we do it with the green and the red as well we can get one letter of ASCII text for every three pixels.
StegioShare uses three least significant bits (LSB) for red and blue channels and 2 LSB for the green channel and C"b,EUsing lossless compression (PNG), StegoShare provides about 40% capacity (in the 250Mb images you can hide 100Mb file),C"b,B says the site.
C"b,EVisually images looks that there are no any files embedded, human eye cannot detect the difference. 128-bit encryption makes detecting hidden file more difficult,C"b,B it states, adding CB;CB;CB;
The following model can be used for anonymous file sharing.
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1. There are two different websites:
* Torrent tracker for absolute legal photos.
* Website (blog, forum) with links to the hidden (censored, illicit) files, embedded in the images and located on the legal photo tracker.
2. Uploading:
* Download images on the specified theme (for example birds, old cars, plants, bridges, ships etc) from public photo hosting (we recommend Flickr) or take photos with a digital camera, images must be licensed under Creative Commons or be public domain. If there is possibility to select resolution, download images in the maximal resolution (you can hide more information in them). Set of images for hiding each file must be located in the separate folder. StegoShare supports almost all image types (jpg, gif, png, bmp, tiff etc).
* You can scale (increase resolution) pictures with the GIMP for not more than 150-200% (depends of the images quality). Total resolution of the image indicates how many bytes it can hide (for example, if image has 1280Cb 1024 resolution, it has 1280*1024 = 1310720 pixels and you can embed in it about 1.3 Mb hidden information).
* File you want to hide must be less than 2Gb, if it is larger - split file on parts with 7-Zip or WinRAR.
* Run StegoShare, select cover images folder and file that you want to hide, enter password if you want to protect hidden file (recommended). Press C"b,EHideC"b,B button and after some time stego images will placed into the C"b,Ecover images folder / outC"b,B directory. Please note, if you will try to hide different file in the same images, contents of the C"b,EoutC"b,B folder will be deleted, therefore rename C"b,EoutC"b,B folder after embedding first file. If there is not enough free space in the images to hide file, you will get a message with demand to add more cover images.
* Test extracting hidden file from cover images, if OK rename C"b,EoutC"b,B folder and upload it to the photo tracker (list of public trackers: http://www.torrentking.org/; do not modify contents of the C"b,EoutC"b,B folder, otherwise it will be impossible to extract hidden file), also add description for your images, like this: C"b,EGreatest bridges of the world, high resolution, lossless quality (PNG)C"b,B . On the private website (not photo tracker; try to search C"b,ERapidshare linksC"b,B or like this in the Google and you will get a list of link-hostings) post link to the photo set with embedded censored file description, for example: C"b,EArtist NoNaMe, album C"b,ELaLaLaC"b,B , 16 songsC"b,B&, MP3 128kbps, (file hided in images, extract with StegoShare (http://stegoshare.sf.net), password: C"b,E123C"b,B3)C"b,B .
3. Downloading and seeding:
* Find censored information you are interested in on the private blogs/forums, follow the link, download torrent with stego images.
* Run StegoShare, activate C"b,EExtractC"b,B tab, select folder with images you have just downloaded, add it to the list, enter password if file(s) is password protected. You can simultaneously extract multiple image sets (just add more cover images folders to the list), but remember that they all must have the same password or be unprotected. Select destination folder (default C"b,EDesktopC"b,B ) and press C"b,EExtractC"b,B .
* Continue seeding downloaded files without any fear of legal prosecution, read more at the section Legal help and advices.
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Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:06 pm
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I2Pothead
Joined: 26 Nov 2008
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Hi!
What about this IS secure? what is anonymous?
You try to embedd data into pictures, a >20 year old method to hide something and well known to ALL.
It blow up pictures by the factor of 2-10 - which is a good sign of embedded data.
And it stays on YOUR IP which distributes the data - it is still you to sue.
Over all: do not use it if you want to life secure
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Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:48 pm
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I2Phreak
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thats has nothing to do with what i2p is doing...
i also think a piece of paper will be much better to write something on it than i2p.. but i can`t use a piece of paper to improve my anonymity 
o what`s the point? just advertisement? |
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Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:10 pm
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| eche|on wrote: | Hi!
And it stays on YOUR IP which distributes the data - it is still you to sue.
Over all: do not use it if you want to life secure |
You can always say that you did not knew about illegal files, law demands balance of probabilities more than 50%, but it is about zero percent because human eye cannot detect steganography in the images. RIAA will NOT sue you, therefore your chances to win is 99%.
Read at http://stegoshare.sf.net/legal.html |
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Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:08 am
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that's simply stupid.
if it blows the image file's size and if you send and receive hundreds of pictures, that ALL "by coincidence" contain files, every judge on this planet will see the probability/credibility of your allegeance not to have known it, as zero. And you'll have to pay - or worse go to jail!
OFFSystem is a better way for legal causes.
and i2p for anonymity, though i2p doesn't preotect the postman. |
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Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:50 am
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| Anonymous wrote: | that's simply stupid.
if it blows the image file's size and if you send and receive hundreds of pictures, that ALL "by coincidence" contain files, every judge on this planet will see the probability/credibility of your allegeance not to have known it, as zero. And you'll have to pay - or worse go to jail!
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I think you don't understand this technology. Size of image is not indication of steganography (all pictures are automatically converted to PNG, lossless compression, this size can be explained that pictures has original quality, for example 10Mpix digital camera produces 30Mb photos, but person who downloads images cannot know why they are so big: steganography or original quality).
I know people who share a lot of pictures (may be tens of thousands) and it is normal.
P.S. Before posting stupid messages, I suggest to read more about how it works: http://stegoshare.sf.net[/b] |
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Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:06 am
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| Anonymous wrote: |
OFFSystem is a better way for legal causes.
and i2p for anonymity, |
OFFSystem and i2p are very slow, but this technology provides speed only 2.5 times less then ordinary torrents (if you have 2.5Mb/sec your real speed downloading stego-torrents will be 1Mb/sec, but in i2p I have never more then 50Kb/sec).
As my point of view, i2p is good to share TOTALLY ILLEGAL materials (illicit porn, terrorist manuals, credit card numbers, stolen personal data etc), but for semi-legal materials (such as copyrighted content) StegoShare is faster, therefore better...[/b] |
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Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:11 am
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I2Pothead
Joined: 26 Nov 2008
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Hi!
I totally understand steganographie AND i understand imageing.
And all people dealing with illegal file sharing do know that, to.
And as everybody knows the RAW size of images are limited by the amount of pixels in the picture, there is a max size in MB for a given picture.
Those said it is very very easy to see if a image hides data or not.
If one image just hide a very small amount (100kb e.g.) of data, you need millions of pictures to trnasport a BD movie or DVD data.
Who has millions of pictures? WHO shares millions of pictures?
It leads all to: who share millions of pictures has only ONE reason: distribute illegal content. And no one is as stupid as believing "I just share millions of pictuers and I did not know there is a BD movie interleaved within".
It is jus a stupid idea. Seen before and not be meant to be secure - it is just a very very weak technique to be used in combination with others to be good to be used at all.
Speed is not everything - direct connections or FTP is the fasted, but not secure.
And with a filestorage, speed increases for file shareage, as the local cache of file storage WILL cache some blocks of the req file - like freenet.
If I2P is to slow for you, you do not need the security of being anonymous, you do not know all features of I2P or you just do want to mourn.
In all three cases: be free to use another, but do not mourn at us if you get caught by using this stupid way of interweaving data into pictures.
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Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:03 am
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| eche|on wrote: | Hi!
I totally understand steganographie AND i understand imageing.
And all people dealing with illegal file sharing do know that, to.
And as everybody knows the RAW size of images are limited by the amount of pixels in the picture, there is a max size in MB for a given picture.
Those said it is very very easy to see if a image hides data or not.
If one image just hide a very small amount (100kb e.g.) of data, you need millions of pictures to trnasport a BD movie or DVD data.
Who has millions of pictures? WHO shares millions of pictures?
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Why millions? Capacity is 40%, if images resolution is 2000x2000 pixels, you can hide 4Mb in one photo, and images's size will be 10Mb (that looks REAL for lossless quality). To hide one TV show episode (300Mb) you need 300/4 = 75 photos, which you can download from any torrent tracker's section "Amateur photos". If you upscale images to 3000x3000 res, you will have 9Mb space in each image for stego-channel and need only 300/9 = 33 photos to hide TV show! It is very easy to download 33 images on SPECIFIED theme (cars, building, nature ect) that they look plausible.
Read first, than write: http://stegoshare.sf.net/howitworks.html |
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Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:20 am
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| eche|on wrote: | Hi!
If I2P is to slow for you, you do not need the security of being anonymous, you do not know all features of I2P or you just do want to mourn. |
I not said that i2p is bad technology, just it is better for sharing TOTALLY ILLEGAL materials (where you need 100% anonymity or may be imprisoned and security is MORE important that speed). But for sharing movies, music and software SPEED is main factor, and StegoShare is better there, IMHO.
i2p is TOO SECURE, more than ordinary seeder needs! |
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Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:12 pm
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I2Pothead
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Hi!
You realize that there is a defined minimum of picture size? And if size of picture is higher, it is visible there is MORE data than just the picture.
It is just a very simple cloaking device like rot13 - nobody will call rot13 secure!
And if you share that data, everybody can trace that data back to yourself - YOU are responsible for it! Nothing as easy as this.
even if you can share one tv ep in 75 pictures (beside the fact of 4 MB per pictures is really visible to someone knowing that technic) - if you share 100 eps, there are 7500 pictures - a lot of stuff and kinda visible.
All people do not share pictures, just one guy sharing >2000 pictures on a torrent (??) and those pictures are far to big for being just a picture!
It is just NOT working secure nor anonymous nor deniable.
If you want to use it, fine,do it on your own risk, but I do not appreciate this method as useable secure.
As I told, to "secure" hide data in a picture, the addon data is roughly max. 1-2 percent of imagedata - 1 MB in a 100MB picture. Which implies hell a lot of pictures. Which needs to be distributed via a anonymous system in which sources cannot be traced - far to complicated and to much work.
About speed of I2P - looks like you did not read/learn enough about I2P.
I2P provides a secure system, but every user can define his need on anonymous on its own - in amount of hops per tunnel.
each hop more set bandwith lower, each hop less is more bandwith.
But as server AND client define their side of the tunnel, it is a combination of both "feelings of need of anonymity".
there are faster systems with no "low-latency realtime" or non anonymous, but I2P tries to do both.
With the integrated datastorage their will be no low latency, but high bandwith.
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Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:46 pm
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| eche|on wrote: |
All people do not share pictures, just one guy sharing >2000 pictures on a torrent (??)
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Here http://torrents.ru/forum/viewforum.php?f=808 you can see people sharing TENS OF THOUSANDS amateur photos, and 2k pictures is very, very small...
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and those pictures are far to big for being just a picture!
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PNG format is very popular for lossless images, if caught I just say that wanted to download original photos, not low-quality compressed JPGs. It looks plausible. |
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Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:51 pm
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| eche|on wrote: | Hi!
beside the fact of 4 MB per pictures is really visible to someone knowing that technic |
I can bid $100 that you cannot to select stego-image from set of 3 photos (all of them are in PNG format and have the same size). |
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Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:22 am
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Well, let's consider this thread closed. Everyone has had his say.
All opinions have been expressed and whatever decision one takes, one has to live with the consequences. |
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Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:36 am
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| especially as our devs have work to do and cannot afford to waste their time in endless discussions. |
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